Me too! Did you watch Spiderman before or Daredevil after? Comic book movie night on FX, I guess. Of course, I didn't watch all of either Spiderman, or Dare Devil -- just enough to know what they were. Did love almost everything about Batman Begins -- but I just didn't buy Katie Holmes in her role.
Did love almost everything about Batman Begins -- but I just didn't buy Katie Holmes in her role.
I wasn't crazy about her, either. No great depths of emotion there. Plus, I didn't buy the last thing she said to Christian/Bruce. Put him on hold until he defeats the forces of evil in Gotham and again becomes the man he was before he left, the man she loved? But she slapped the man she loved in the face and practically kicked him out of the car on Lower Wacker Drive.
Ok. so that was the scriptwriter's fault. It still made her look like an idiot.
Did I misunderstand that scene?
I thought about watching Daredevil, but I'd hit my TV allowance for the day. Caught the last few minutes of Spiderman 2. I loved the first movie, mostly because of Willem Dafoe, who I adore--put a thousand faces on screen, and the camera will find his.
Someday, I want to watch a superhero movie where the woman takes off out the window at the sound of sirens and the man is left behind to worry.
At a guess I'd say the Bruce she loved went away the day his parents died, and is likely never to return.
Incidentally, Katie Holmes is out in the sequel due out this summer (also starring the lamentably late Heath Ledger) and Maggie Gyllenhall is in in the same role.
Well, I guess it dovetails with the movie's theme of masks and double lives and whatnot--Rachel thought that Bruce had continued to grow up, but he unmasked to her in the car after Chill's release and murder. By the end of the movie, she realizes that the Bruce he revealed to her then is the real Bruce now, only more disciplined and focused and whatnot. She hopes, I guess, that he can put the real mask back on and make it real, becoming the Bruce she grew up with and such.
Maybe. I could be talking out my butt. Could have been a train of thought more fully developed, though, to lend some greater poignancy to that final scene.
I want to say, though, that that's a theme they've developed quite a bit in the comics--that Batman is Batman, and Bruce Wayne is his disguise. Less like, say, Superman or Spider-Man who try to live both lives at once.
Someday, I want to watch a superhero movie where the woman takes off out the window at the sound of sirens and the man is left behind to worry.
How funny you should say that. Here's a small excerpt from my second (as yet unpublished) book:
“How am I supposed to just stand here while she’s in danger?” Saffron demanded. He looked slightly defiant and he probably felt like the odd man out.
“Saffron, she can make the ground swallow her enemies. She can shield and start fires and throw lightning. She’s not in danger,” Vara assured. “The soldiers might be though.”
“When you love a strong woman, you have to expect there will be moments when you get to be the damsel in distress,” Oamir supplied. It earned a chuckle from most of the group and a grin from Vara.
“He’s right. You can’t always fly off to rescue her. Otherwise you spend a week banned from your tent,” Yarrow added, trying to lighten the mood. Hickory, Rissa, Pepper and Thorn laughed loudly. Ysa rolled her eyes.
Honestly, I love that movie. I think it's one of the best super-hero flicks, full stop. I own it on DVD and will rewatch it from time to time just for the hell of it.
Also, Gary Oldman? Love him in that role. Especially since, for a change, he's playing one of the few non-insane roles in the movie.
Me too. I love Gary Oldman anyway. He's really awesome. Any actor that can be convincingly a drug addicted, corrupt policeman, a misguided, but delicious reverend, and then become a scarred and disgusting psychopath that you can't help but think deserves to be consumed by a cannibal (oh and while doing, convince you that he's three separate people) is a fantastic actor.
Yeah, I'll watch almost anything he's in. Wouldn't have minded to see him Hannibal except that I've never really been able to get into the Lecter stories.
As I often do not when Gary Oldman shows up on screen, I initially didn't recognize him in that first moment in Batman Begins. It didn't matter, because that man on the screen was so *perfectly* Gordon that he quite literally brought tears to my eyes. It was only in the several long seconds afterward that I realized, My *God*, that's Gary Oldman!
Regretfully, Christian Bale is one of those actors I have an allergy to. There's something in his face that just makes me want to look away. The only time I haven't had this reaction to him was in Reign of Fire, where his face was mostly hidden under a beard. It's okay when he's playing a bad guy, but as Batman...no.
I had the feeling that Batman Begins was a good movie, but the presence of clean-shaven Mr. Bale made it unwatchable for me.
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Date: 2008-01-27 07:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-27 01:52 pm (UTC)I wasn't crazy about her, either. No great depths of emotion there. Plus, I didn't buy the last thing she said to Christian/Bruce. Put him on hold until he defeats the forces of evil in Gotham and again becomes the man he was before he left, the man she loved? But she slapped the man she loved in the face and practically kicked him out of the car on Lower Wacker Drive.
Ok. so that was the scriptwriter's fault. It still made her look like an idiot.
Did I misunderstand that scene?
I thought about watching Daredevil, but I'd hit my TV allowance for the day. Caught the last few minutes of Spiderman 2. I loved the first movie, mostly because of Willem Dafoe, who I adore--put a thousand faces on screen, and the camera will find his.
Someday, I want to watch a superhero movie where the woman takes off out the window at the sound of sirens and the man is left behind to worry.
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Date: 2008-01-27 04:22 pm (UTC)Incidentally, Katie Holmes is out in the sequel due out this summer (also starring the lamentably late Heath Ledger) and Maggie Gyllenhall is in in the same role.
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Date: 2008-01-27 05:27 pm (UTC)How old were they at the time? Eight? Ten?
OK--I blame dumb screenwriter. But all in all, still a fine movie. Definitely one to watch again.
I read somewhere that Ledger's Joker is really, *really* creepy.
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Date: 2008-01-27 06:40 pm (UTC)Maybe. I could be talking out my butt. Could have been a train of thought more fully developed, though, to lend some greater poignancy to that final scene.
I want to say, though, that that's a theme they've developed quite a bit in the comics--that Batman is Batman, and Bruce Wayne is his disguise. Less like, say, Superman or Spider-Man who try to live both lives at once.
Funny you should say that
Date: 2008-01-27 05:25 pm (UTC)How funny you should say that. Here's a small excerpt from my second (as yet unpublished) book:
“How am I supposed to just stand here while she’s in danger?” Saffron demanded. He looked slightly defiant and he probably felt like the odd man out.
“Saffron, she can make the ground swallow her enemies. She can shield and start fires and throw lightning. She’s not in danger,” Vara assured. “The soldiers might be though.”
“When you love a strong woman, you have to expect there will be moments when you get to be the damsel in distress,” Oamir supplied. It earned a chuckle from most of the group and a grin from Vara.
“He’s right. You can’t always fly off to rescue her. Otherwise you spend a week banned from your tent,” Yarrow added, trying to lighten the mood. Hickory, Rissa, Pepper and Thorn laughed loudly. Ysa rolled her eyes.
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Date: 2008-01-27 05:52 pm (UTC)I'm writing precisely that kind of comic book right now. Perhaps if the gods smile on everything someday it'll be a movie for you to go watch. :)
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Date: 2008-01-27 06:25 pm (UTC)If you can't find what you want to read (or watch), write it yourself.
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Date: 2008-01-27 01:54 pm (UTC)He does functioning insanity well.
Edible, too. Completely.
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Date: 2008-01-27 09:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-27 04:24 pm (UTC)Also, Gary Oldman? Love him in that role. Especially since, for a change, he's playing one of the few non-insane roles in the movie.
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Date: 2008-01-27 05:31 pm (UTC)Me too. I love Gary Oldman anyway. He's really awesome. Any actor that can be convincingly a drug addicted, corrupt policeman, a misguided, but delicious reverend, and then become a scarred and disgusting psychopath that you can't help but think deserves to be consumed by a cannibal (oh and while doing, convince you that he's three separate people) is a fantastic actor.
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Date: 2008-01-28 05:17 am (UTC)I had the feeling that Batman Begins was a good movie, but the presence of clean-shaven Mr. Bale made it unwatchable for me.
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Date: 2008-01-28 12:22 pm (UTC)But I like Mr. Bale just fine.