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[livejournal.com profile] docbrite discusses the dreaded mirror ploy in this post.

By this point, I think most aspiring writers have probably been advised not to describe a character by the hackneyed technique of having him or her look in a mirror.

FWIW, I've used the dreaded mirror technique. In LAW (although by the time that scene rolls around, you already know what Jani looks like), and in INCIDENT. Frankly, if your character is alone in the scene and you want to get their description out there asap so the reader gets an idea of who they're reading about, it's as good a ploy as any.

We'll save the argument as to whether the reader actually needs any description at all for another time, OK. For the record, I am pro-description.

[livejournal.com profile] docbrite is not the only writer I know who has condemned the mirror technique, btw. CJ Cherryh has, as well.

Further on down the post:

Here's a new take on that: describing one by having her not notice herself in a mirror, so presumably we're getting the reflective surface's point of view:

(Me--During this non-reflective description, we read the following: )

"She was five seven, with a beguiling heart-shaped face and blond curly hair that flowed past her shoulders. Her trademark black turtleneck and jeans were nicely taut over the curves of her otherwise lean, athletic body. She wore no makeup, but the impetuous sparkle of her blue eyes attracted more men than would the application of any product from Bloomingdale's cosmetic counter."

And that's where I think the problem is. I am not pro-- this sort of description. The tone is off-putting. The style. The individual who would describe herself like this might make for an interesting study in narcissism, but I doubt that's the point of this particular scene. Many women who are fucking gorgeous don't see themselves that way. Some do, and that's a character tic that can be exploited. But in this case, it seems as though this is the protag, and her personality disorder is not a plot point. She's playing this straight, and damn, she looks good. No hint of "if I don't quit with the chocolate cake, I'll need a winch to pull up these jeans...five more pounds to go...damn it, where did that stain come from...meeting with the boss at 3--I shouldn't have worn jeans." None of the underlayers that often come to the surface when a person looks in the mirror. Nothing but flat, self-congratulatory checklisting that brings out the urge to bitchslap.

I'm a proponent of the non-description description. I try to use them sparingly, but I use them. It's like a Philips head screwdriver. Not the only tool in the kit, and not one for every job. But when you need it, you need it.

My Mirror Scene, from INCIDENT. Not patting myself on the back here, but note the difference:

Jani walked to the nearest sink and activated the tap. Savored the spill of warm water over her hands. Activated the soap, lathered, and rinsed. Counted to three, then looked in the mirror.

Her eyes stared back. Green nearly as dark as Delmen's brown, green unto black, the color of the bottom of a well.

She bent closer and examined the shiny white sclera. Still white. No gaps. No splits. Not much of anything, really. No blood vessels. No shadows. Fake white, to match the fake green. Eyes from a bottle. She reached into her pocket, held her breath as she felt for the vial of filmformer, exhaled slowly as her hand closed over it. Her shield. Her security. The one thing that allowed her to maintain a pretense of humanity.


Jani films her eyes. Every so often, she needs to check them. She does so by looking in a mirror. She confirms her normalcy and moves on. She does not describe her height to the fraction of a centimeter, or the taut fit of her clothes. No impetuous sparkle here. Instead, we get what's running through her mind. Her fears. Her reality.

So, I think The Mirror Scene, if used sparingly, has a place. It gives you a chance to get into the character's head and convey a lot about their backstory in a comparatively short time. I will use it in the future. I will do so sparingly, but I will do so if it kicks the story forward. If someone calls me on it, I'll shrug.

Date: 2007-08-06 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I have in fact seen (unpublished) fiction, written from the perspective of a female character, that describes said character down to her cup size.

Invariably, said fiction has been written by men.

Date: 2007-08-06 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristine-smith.livejournal.com
I wasn't going to bring that up, but I did wonder if the author was male. Many of the examples I've read where female protags see themselves as hotties are written by men. They're describing the woman as they'd see her, not as she'd see herself.

Date: 2007-08-06 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Yeah. There's something particularly male-gaze-ish about that kind of approach.

More broadly, though -- description of the pov character really is a problem. I get the outlines of Lune placed pretty early in Midnight Never Come, because she puts a glamour on to make herself look human (thus affording me a good opportunity to describe her in detail), but Deven's much more difficult. By the time I have an opportunity to show him through anyone else's eyes, we're nearly thirty thousand words into the book, which is way too late.

Date: 2007-08-06 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristine-smith.livejournal.com
It can be a problem.

I have two POVs in ENDGAME, Jani and the idomeni female, Rilas. I get past the description thing by having Rilas feel disgusted over her appearance, and compare the way she looks with the way she thinks she should look. Near the end of the chapter, she sees an image of Jani Kilan, and describes her in much the same way.

[livejournal.com profile] crzmslmaven is right--you don't need every detail. Just enough. A quick sketch. The reader can/will fill in the rest.

Date: 2007-08-06 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I'm thinking I'll get around it this time by playing up the appearance-consciousness of courtiers; Deven will have thought long and hard about how he dressed to meet the Queen.

Date: 2007-08-06 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristine-smith.livejournal.com
And to my surprise, the scene was apparently written by a woman, which could mean we've slipped from "describing the woman of my dreams" to Mary Sue.

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